The recent Durham Report exposed inexcusable moves done by the FBI (and by many others, too). But FBI abuses do not stop there. In fact, Rep. Jim Jordan tells Glenn that recent actions from the agency — like its attempt to CRUSH whistleblowers who speak out — may be worse than the ones Durham revealed. In this clip, Glenn and Rep. Jordan discuss the recent FBI whistleblower hearing, the way the FBI tries to silence anyone who speaks out, and why recent FBI actions hurt more than a presidential campaign — they’re deeply affecting the everyday American, too…
TranscriptBelow is a rush transcript that may contain errors
JIM: I'm fine, Glenn. How you are today?
GLENN: I'm actually kind of positive today. I think you are.
JIM: Good.
GLENN: Doing a great job and a great service. I think there are several of you now in Congress, that I actually trust and believe. You're actually going to do something.
So thank you for that.
JIM: Thank you. Well, thanks for all you are doing, if we go to the word out to the American people.
GLENN: So, Jim, tell me -- first of all, you gave your opening dialogue -- your monologue on what you were going to see. And then the Democrats came out, and they said, what you will see are lies, half truths, and fantasies. I've never seen anything like that, especially when you were presenting whistle-blowers.
JIM: Yeah. And these guys are good men, who love the country. And value the Constitution. And the First Amendment. But for guys like them. These guys and other guys like them. We wouldn't know what they did with parents at school board meetings. We wouldn't know about what they're doing to pro-lifers praying in clinics. We wouldn't know about Catholics attending mass at the Richmond field office, viewed them as radical extremists.
I mean, we wouldn't know about those things, but for guys like this. And the fact that they were willing to come forward, shows just what good people they are.
And coming into the Constitution, and to the oath they took.
But then what they faced, the retaliation.
I mean, they literally tried to crush these guys, particularly Mr. O'Boyle and Mr. --
GLENN: It's crazy.
JIM: Yeah, it's so sad. But for them, we wouldn't know the things we know. And wouldn't be able to be in the position for going after these agencies and the appropriations office, which is what we have to do.
GLENN: So I did a special last night on the reckoning of the Biden crime family, and one of our listeners wrote in. And wanted me to ask you today, is there a way to help these whistle-blowers.
I'm concerned for them and their families.
JIM: Yeah. They have -- they get to keep. It's not go fund me. There's ways, that I should have that information.
GLENN: Okay. I will get it from your office, and we will share it.
So what is the -- the next step here? Because we had -- we had the dossier come out. Yeah. No. Not the Steele dossier. We had the Durham report come out. Thank you. And the media is blind.
JIM: Yeah.
GLENN: And to me, this shows how deeply in trouble this nation is. You have intelligence, CIA, FBI, Justice, the White House, Congress, all of it dirty, like majorly dirty.
JIM: Well, I don't think -- it's funny how the good Lord works. Because of the Durham report, we didn't have to have scheduled this hearing where we have these whistle-blowers coming forward.
So understand the Durham report. He said as clearly and as straightforward as you could say, that the FBI, I think the best line was, the FBI failed in its fundamental mission of fidelity to the law. They didn't follow the law. There was no evidence. No probable cause. No predicate whatsoever to want to investigate. They did it anyway. They did it based on a fake document, a document they knew was false.
At a time they used it. They go to the court to get the warrant, to spy on a presidential campaign. That's terrible.
They put the country through all three years of craziness. That's terrible. But worse than that, it's what's happening today.
Because today is not just women who are oppressed. It's the American people. And it's what I just said.
If you're a pro-life Catholic, they view you as radical.
i mean, if you're a parent speaking up for your kid, they view you as a terrorist.
It's like, you have to be kidding me.
So that's what -- but I just found it interesting. That those two big pieces of information, came out on the same week. Underscoring how dire of a situation. How real of the situation it actually is.
GLENN: So Jonathan Turley had an op-ed out. I just read it this morning. How Congress could have the final say on the Russian collusion scandal.
In the Durham report, it shows that people like what's his name? Elias.
JIM: Yeah. Marc Elias.
GLENN: Yeah, Marc Elias from the DNC, he wouldn't participate. Wouldn't talk, wouldn't give anything.
And Turley is saying, why don't you start giving the screws to these guys. And offer immunity. Now, I don't think there's a chance that Marc Elias will turn on anybody. But it's worth a try, isn't it?
JIM: You know, that's interesting. He's Mr. Democrat. He's the guy. He's the man in that area. So I don't know. But that's an interesting strategy.
I haven't read Turley's piece. I really respect professor Turley. So I'll read that.
GLENN: So do I.
JIM: I don't know. I will have to give it some thought. But I do think we should begging -- in our investigative report, in our oversight work, we should begging focused on getting every single fact, and getting that information, the truth to the American people.
Because if you don't have all the truth on the table. And do our constitutional duty of oversight. Then you're not on the position to make the case. Which we will have to make, which we have to do.
When it comes to appropriating money, we're going to have to change how that sounds. We will have to limit funds. We will have to say, you can't use funds for certain things.
We will have to tell the FBI, ain't no way, you will get a new headquarters for how many hundred million dollars. Are you kidding me?
There are those kinds of things. But you make the case when you show what they want.
GLENN: So when you're going through all of this, you're not getting the documents.
Christopher Ray, the other day, was just unbelievable to watch.
Well, I can't talk about that document.
What do you mean, you sent a letter to us. We asked for the document. You're not getting anyone, in Congress, getting the documents that you're demanding. You have oversight. And they -- they seem to feel like they have oversight over you.
JIM: Yeah. Yeah, so two quick points: One, you're exactly right. When the Founders put this great nation together, three separate equal branches of government, if there was one branch that was supposed to be equal to the other, it was supposed to be the legislative branch, and in particular, the House of Representatives. Because that's the body closest to the American people. Every two years, the American people get a chance to throw us out. That is a good thing. That's a healthy thing.
That's why the Founders said, that's the body where all the taxing and funding bills have to originate. So we're supposed to be able to tell the executive branch, hey, we need information, to do our job, when it comes to legislating and appropriating. So give us the darn information.
Second, when we've had these struggles. Sometimes you go to court.
We went to court for a witness, we wanted to give in the whole Alvin Bragg crazy situation in New York. And the court ruled in our favor, and we had Mr. Pomerantz in for a deposition, just last week.
So sometimes you have to go to the courts, to get what you need. So we will continue to press, whether it's subpoenas, what have you. For documents, or for people to come in for an interview. We will continue to press here. But we have to in the end. The only thing that gets people's attention.
The only thing that gets people's attention is the money.
You have to go after the money. It's that simple.
We will have to do that, here in the next couple months, if we go through appropriating these agencies in the federal government.
GLENN: Well, you can do that, even if they don't pass a budget.
Does Congress have control of the purse strings still?
JIM: We sure do. It will be a fight with the Senate. It will be a fight with the White House.
You know what, you had an FBI who is retaliating against good guys like Garrett O'Boyle, Marcus Allen, Steve Brennan.
I think it's worth the fight.
GLENN: Yeah. And I think you would have the American people squarely behind you.
I think Congress with the people like me.
I don't really. I don't care for the Republican Party.
But they're better than the Democrats. But I don't want to give a dime.
I would give a dime directly to a candidate. But not to the Republican Party.
People like me, are seeing, I think, are starting to see, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Something is different.
And there's just a few of you guys now, that are standing up.
And I have to say, I am shocked at McCarthy. I did not think he would have the spine.
I would like to see that continue, but he seems to be doing a lot of good things. And his poll numbers are going up.
JIM: Yeah. No. You know, Glenn, I talk about this all the time. We make his job too complicated. What did you tell the people you were going to do when you ran for the ballot, and ran for the job.
If you get elected, if they put you in this job, go do what you said. And Kevin McCarthy is doing that. I think our team is doing that. The most important thing is what you just said, we have to continue to do that. We have to continue to do that. That's our mission. Do what you told the American people, you said you were going to do.
GLENN: So there's one thing that concerns me on the budget. That is the expanded Capitol Police role.
Now, everything I understood from the Capitol Police from the last administration is, this is Nancy Pelosi's police force.
So whoever is in charge of the House. That's their police force.
They have expanded way beyond the Capitol.
They have new offices now in Florida.
In California.
They are now turning into an intelligence force.
Pentagon has given them things to collect intelligence on Americans.
This is way beyond their scope. And I don't know about you, but I don't trust the -- any other police force with intelligence capabilities. No more. No more.
JIM: Yeah. Look, the rank-and-file offices -- I talk to him all the time.
Coming in, different buildings. Wonderful guys. Do the Lord's work.
Like good local police officers do the Lord's work.
But you're right. We don't need these officers around the country. We don't need this expanded, surveillance capabilities. So I agree with you there.
I think that's where the country is.
And I would have to check with the people's office. But I don't know what speaker McCarthy is going along with that.
GLENN: Well, I will tell you. I will tell you, in the Republican's annual appropriations bill, they have an increase of $46.3 million more than last year. Which already last year was a 22 percent increase.
That's got to stop. Got to stop.
JIM: Yeah. We'll take a look at that, too.
GLENN: Do we finally have the Congress and the Republicans that will stand and not blink on the budget?
JIM: I am just saying. I really do. Because the spending went up so dramatically. We don't have to get up to all the numbers. We're set to run a deficit. Of a trillion and a half.
$1.5 trillion this year. What?
It's so out of whack. We have to spend less than what we spent before. If we can do that. They get back to lower levels. That would be the first time in my time in Congress.
Maybe the first time in modern history. Where the next Congress, didn't spend more than the previous one.
If we can actually reduce spending and begin to show the country and the economy and the world, that okay.
They're at least going to kind of rein this in, and get a handle on it, and begin to pay back some of this debt.
Get to balance at some point. If we can do that, then we'll be fine.
But if we just keep the crazy stuff up that the Biden administration is doing. I worry about the dollar staying as the reserve currency, which is critical for our country.
And a host of other things. That is on this path. I think we will get to where we're spending less, after the crazy increases in the Biden administration.
GLENN: So one last thing, the church committee did the Lord's work, if you will.
And tried to reign things aback in.
And it's gotten worse than it was back then.
Do you -- do you think that this Deep State, whatever you want to call it? The people that have no fidelity to the law or the Constitution, can we save the Justice Department, the FBI, the intelligence community? Or is it too far gone? How do you see this working?
JIM: Here's the key measure, I think this Congress. That will tell us if we can get things back in the right direction or not. That's the FISA renewal.
The 702 program of FISA is up for renewal. If that gets passed, and we just keep doing the same old thing. Because understand the church commission brought a lot of good facts to light. But the church commission gave us the FISA court and the FISA process.
That's a problem. That has to change. That's up for reauthorization this year. If we fundamentally change that, if we get rid of this ability for them to quierie that database that they get. Where they're -- the 3.4 million Americans had their information queried, information that was picked up when they were surveilled. But they talked to some American.
And then they got the Americans -- that's the kind of stuff. If we don't change that, then I'm very worried. But I think we will change it.
I think yesterday's hearing showed that. When you have the FBI gauging some of the things. That will be a critical test. And, of course, as I said a couple of times. What happens during the appropriations and the spending process. The power of the pure is important. That's the power that resides in the Congress and specifically, in the House.
We need to make sure we use it.
GLENN: I will tell you, I found out just the other day, that this program now has a bigger footprint than Fox news does. Which blew me away, when somebody gave me the stat to me.
JIM: Testimony to your good work.
GLENN: No. What's happening is all the mainstream media is dying. And shows like minds and others are all growing.
JIM: Right.
GLENN: I don't know if we could turn this corner, even five or six years ago. But I think if you guys just keep going, we're going to turn a corner. We're going to turn a corner. Because the mainstream media extent have a lock that they used to have.
JIM: Well, said. And praise the Lord for that. And the second thing I would say, the American people, smart people. They have common sense. And they hear common sense. And they hear good information from people like you, and a bunch of folks like you.
That makes a huge difference. So thank you for what you're doing.
GLENN: Likewise. Stay the course.
JIM: All right. Buh-bye.
GLENN: Jim Jordan.